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so in summary like i said in the beginning of at the beginning of the video my choice very clearly without a doubt the prolonged seven okay and that's and that's also because i like heavy pants i don't mind it
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but um but what would i personally recommend um if you really don't want the 30 big heavy proline seven my first choice my first alternative would actually be the 28 centimeter per line set okay
really really good pans as I've said many times before. I still really enjoy using them even at almost 5 years.
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the thickness of this is 4.8 millimeters which is extremely thick um and again you i i don't know if there's another stainless skillet or frying pan that's as thick as this i may be wrong but you'll be it'll be hard to find one that's this thick
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they are expensive, right? Especially if you live outside the EU. For example, the price here in New Zealand just for this 24 cm is over $500, right? And that's quite frankly ludicrous.
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with that 20 20 cm model, you are really not getting any value for your money, so I would stay away from that one.
I will say that the quality of these pans, the quality of the metal of these pans, are obviously very high. You can just tell by looking at them and feeling them.
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personally if i was you i would get a dutch oven just like this one or the size that suits you this is going to be fantastic
it is you know the capacity in terms of the searing is much much higher with a prolong okay and i would even say it's disproportional um when you consider the 30 percent temperature sorry when you consider the 30 percent weight difference okay it seems that this perline can handle much much more in you know relative…
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in the last video i i said that um even with a 28 centimeter model pro line i was able to beautifully seal ten chicken drumsticks and that's a pretty heavy load you know 10 chicken drumsticks that's what is a kilogram or maybe even more medium sized chicken drumsticks
so in that sense the pro line for me is also an easier pen it's a more friendly pen to use because it gives you a larger margin for error and that was you know in my cooking test and that was very easy to see
this is 2.4 kilograms so the 28 centimeter model of the problem 7 is still heavier than the 32 centimeter version of the industry 5. okay and this is able to give you that really beautiful sear it's able to take a much higher load compared to this 32 centimeter industry 5.
i didn't see that on myself with this pen with this proline 7 the bass remains perfectly flat okay with this pan even while medium heat
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with the pro line the pan was able to maintain a very nice serious sizzling sound you know this maintaining the seer uh continuously throughout from start to finish
as it heats up the oil starts flowing out to the side so there's there's an area of about that size in the middle of the pan where it gets very little oil because it's as soon as the paint heats up but just the oil just flows to the side and that is really annoying um for two reasons one is obviously well you the oil…
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with this industry with this much lighter industry however on the same heat setting it was sort of able to maintain that sound for the third first 30 seconds or so and it didn't even do that very well because the sound that i heard was kind of half sizzling half steaming and after about 30 seconds it just started to…
the finish on the helper handle on the industry is not as polished or um that doesn't look as premium as the pro line okay but again that's to be expected because this is the slightly lower end lower end product line
this one the proline seven two point seven four kilograms very very heavy okay um you yeah you normally don't find a stainless steel skillet this heavy okay this is really very heavy which i like which is an advantage to me may be a detriment to some other people
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and it's not also not the whitest between somewhere in between this is 2.4 okay so it is heavier than the 1.9 but it's lighter than the 2.7 so this could be a good compromise
this saute pan is just too small for saute pans, all right? So, the useful the useful volume in this pan is only about 2.5 L, and that's very very limited considering the type of pan that it is.
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I don't recommend this version because with this pan, well, it def- with this pan, it's very hard to maneuver, okay?
the 20 cm Proline is built different, okay? So, the 24, 28, and 32 cm Proline are 4.8 mm thick, and that's why you want to buy Proline, right? That's the whole reason that you're buying a Proline. But the 20 cm Proline is only 3 mm thick, okay? So, it's basically like a Industry or Multiline with an with a Proline…
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a 20 cm pan is just too small, right? It's too small to really be useful. It's barely enough to fry one egg or maybe a couple of sausages or a small piece of meat, and that's pretty much it.
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Firstly, ask yourself, do you really need something that big? Personally, I do not.
the bottom diameter of this pan is approximately 26 cm, so that's very large. And that's too big for most ceramic and induction flat tops.
a couple more reasons not to buy these Atlantis pots. So, the first two reasons are the same, so they are thick and they are sorry, they are heavy, and they are expensive. So, those are valid reasons to not buy these pots.
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for these type of pots, most of the time you don't need something this expensive and this premium, right? So, if all you're going to do is to do things like making stock, soup, boiling pasta, boiling cooking a bit of oatmeal, boiling some eggs, you can get a cheap IKEA pot, and it'll do the job just fine
let's quickly go through the three reasons why you should not buy the Proline, and which I've talked about before.
I don't recommend this one because first of all, a 20 cm pan is just too small, right?
it's not going to prevent stains like this, okay? So, stains, oil stains like this, you will always get, okay? So, that's not what it's designed to do.
and alongside that i would get a you know a higher quality a good denier all clad or whatever brand it is a nice solid heavy saute pan like this
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because i feel a bit uncomfortable you know stirring with a spatula or whatever i just feel like food is going to fall out over the side
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the weight and the thickness of this lid is extremely substantial so the total the total weight of this entire vessel this entire pen is 5.6 or let's say approximately 5.6 i waited on my scale and 2.5 of that is on the lid this is very thick and it's very heavy and it's much much thicker and heavier than this
they could they could have made this a bit thicker or a bit bigger and given us a heavier body and a in a slightly less heavy or lighter lid so that i found that a little bit strange as well
i mean you wouldn't even make soup in this the shape is just not right
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the only reason for that or the obvious reason for that is that everything you can do in the brazer rather you can do in the dutch oven but not vice versa you can't do everything that you can do here in a bracer
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so firstly for a 30 centimeter diameter i was really hoping the cooking surface the flat usable cooking surface would be a bit bigger
in my opinion it would have been a bit better if they reduce the tapering here on the sides and you know and so then they could give us a little bit more surface on the bottom
the second point is that i find this pen a little bit too shallow that's going to sound like a double standard because obviously it's not a dark oven it's not meant to be tall like a dutch oven but nevertheless i do find it a bit too to do shallow
this lid is a very tall lid for the type of pan so i mean they could have made the lid a little bit less tall and put some extra height on the pan
i cannot i cannot say in good conscience that this is more practical than this because this is better in terms of volume and this is also better in terms of the amount of cooking surface that it gives you
this obviously is a much taller vessel has a much higher volume so for large volume of soups juice this is going to be much much more suitable than this
do you need both my answer is no um again i would have loved to be able to say yes but purely from a practical point of view i would say no
this is gonna be a great serving dish if you had a dinner party you know you cook a roast roast chicken roast beef whatever it is you make and you serve it right out of this piece and that's going to be a pretty great conversation starter i think and your guests should be impressed
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and the best thing about this pan is that it's got a very very thick aluminium bottom so the heat retention here on the bottom is i haven't calculated it but just to estimate it's more than double of the heat retention you get at the bottom of the stove or even the licorice site even though these are cast iron this is…
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so my first choice uh for this type of pan would actually be my fistler frontal now this is my 28 centimeter fizzler rondelle also 28 in diameter
do i recommend this pen would i would i tell you to go out and spend 200 euros on this pen well probably not uh and um or in other words it's it's it's not my it's not my first choice
so overall my impressions with the soap it's well it's yeah i'm a little bit underwhelmed um i i would like to try it stop dutch oven the proper dutch oven uh it's just with this particular model i think there are better alternatives out there
but at the end the electricity did perform better than the stove that's there's a noticeable difference
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dislike about the pen well there are a couple of things now the first dislike is this lid no i think this lid is too small um when you put the lid on the pan it's exactly the same diameter as the pen itself which means if you move the lid like this sideways you can actually see a gap between the lid and the edge of…
now the second problem which is even bigger problem i think is the lid it doesn't fit that securely on the pan okay so i'll show you what i mean if you till the pan and if you're just a little bit rough the lid can easily slide off well it's not happening now but if you just give it a little push the lid easily slides…
now the second dislike with this pen is well i mean it's a design choice by stove but i'm not a fan of the black interior okay so i prefer i prefer to have a light colored interior light by like crossing so that i can see the browning or the progress of my cooking easier than the black interior
neither handle for me and this is one slight dislike about these pants is neither handle for me gives me a very secure grip i just find them a bit too a bit too slippery and a bit too narrow
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but the handle is a bit it's a bit flatter than the proline so yeah so in that sense it does give you a little bit more work but not significantly so
the one thing that i always dislike about all the handles on the industry five is that they yeah just they they just stick out a bit too much i extend too much from the side of the pen so i don't know why they had to make this so so big
the handle on the pro line both the main handle and the helper handle the finish is nicer it's polished and smooth and this one has a rougher texture
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that's one thing you've got to be mindful with this lighter pen is that you have to be careful not to overload the pan otherwise the food will steam or start to steam
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and i i i just can't see it in this pan so maybe this pen will need to reduce the quantity by half if you want to maintain that maintain that sear
this feels this use i have to say much much more solid and and also thicker than this and if i do the same thing with this paint um this is actually about to say 2.8 or closer to 3 millimeters so this it looks thicker it feels thicker and it looks thicker on the ruler as well
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that's especially important with this industry 5 because it is much much thinner than a pro line and if you have a hob that's too small and you put it on a very high heat i'm not confident that the pan will not warp
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so i'm a little bit disappointed with the thickness of this pen um it just feels very thin okay that made me that's just my personal opinion
which which it sounds a little bit harsh because the industry five is still a very premium product okay it sits one tier below the atlantis or the proline series um but it's still it's still a very premium product okay so i'm not saying this is a bad product in any way okay
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if you really don't want the heavy pan then the industry 5 is still going to be a very good choice
and if you really need a big size okay and and a lightweight pen a lighter weight pen then go with the industry five um you know just but just make sure you you you are more vigilant with the heat control
it's because the bottom diameter is quite large, okay? So, these have a full 28 cm on the bottom, and you really should make sure you got a hob that's wide enough for these pans, otherwise you're not really getting the best out of them.
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if your cooktop allows, you should maybe just go to the 28 cm saute pan. So, that's a much much more practical piece.
you're much better off just getting the 24 cm casserole, which is the taller version, not as tall as this one, but it's cut off, you know, in the middle at about there.
the next one that I don't think is worth buying is the 24 cm Atlantis saute pan.
you can get a cheap IKEA pot, and it'll do the job just fine, and it and it will last you a long time as well, as because I know that from experience. I've had IKEA pots before.
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you may want something that responds faster to heat changes, okay? Because these are so thick and so heavy, they will respond slower than a pan that's built thinner and lighter.
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The first of all is they are too heavy, okay? So, if they're too heavy, then you're not going to use them.
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personally, I think the concern with the handle is not really a valid reason to not buy these pans. That's only because the possibility of these handles falling off is really no higher than the possibility of any high-quality product being faulty, right?
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let's just take a brief moment to appreciate how shiny these pans still are. I did give them a clean with Bar Keepers Friend a couple of days ago. Um so, that's why they look nice and shiny. And the thing about these pans is that if you clean them regularly with something like Bar Keepers Friend, they will always look…
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with this design with this typical saucing pen design you get a straight vertical sides so you do actually get a full 28 centimeter of cooking surface and i can confirm because i'm because i measured it
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before i answer the question let's just take a second to talk about how nice this thing looks
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it's still a beautiful vessel and i would use it as much as i can don't get me wrong
and once again you get a bigger bottom cooking surface let's just measure that so here you get about 26 centimeters of cooking surface and you get a lot more depth
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my second choice over the stove as i've already shown you is a 30 centimeter licorice low casserole
but of course if you don't need a vessel in that size this is still going to be a good good choice
so the fistler bin 20i diameters you get almost 28 diameters of cooking surface so you get a much bigger cooking surface you get a little bit more depth with this pan
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the handle on the licorice is very wide it's very loopy so here i feel like i've got a more comfortable group
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and once again this result with the liquidus on the stove it kind of dispels the myth of cast iron being able to being the best at retaining heat
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the first thing that i notice throughout the cooking process is this pen it heats up much faster and it cools down much faster than the prolonged seven which is not a surprise obviously because this has 30 percent less thermal mass okay it's those 30 percent lighter so that's expected
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and it's a pen that i really like
these pieces are worth buying. I think they are worth buying. They are very use- useful pieces, but buy with caution.
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I had this pan, and I exchanged it for this version, with the two short handles, for that exact reason, okay?
if you want to do something a bit more complex like stews and braises, where you got to sear stuff or saute on the bottom, it could be worth it to get that better heat control and heat retention.
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I'm going to do a long-term 4 and 1/2 year review, in fact, almost 5 years review of these Demeyere Proline and Atlantis pans.
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that doesn't work in my house because you know i've got a small oven unfortunately so it's not going to fit in my oven if there's a big handle like this so that's why i have pants with short handles like this
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i like the version with uh with a handle with a long handle
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this is you know a cheap ikea 30 euro saute pan but i do quite like it actually
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i i just feel that this is a little bit small limited um this the apparent in this form factor
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so in the liquor set you get a lot of very pretty vibrant colors
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but one thing that may be more certainly significant is if we look at the temperature center temperature versus time the stove cooks a little bit faster than the licorice okay so that means there is more thermal mass at the bottom of the crusade than there is at the bottom of the stove and the difference here is…
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the grip on the industry is obviously easier because it's a lighter pen
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there are other brands of cookware, good cookware, such as, you know, All-Clad and other brands that will also maintain a very shiny appearance after a very long time, provided that you clean them regularly.
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at at first, I thought this was maybe just all marketing, maybe a bit of a gimmick. Now, but now after 4 and 1/2 years, and looking at how shiny these pans still are, so maybe there is some benefit, but but I will say that it's not something that you will notice in the very short term, okay?
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i use this for for you know a few things i roast chicken and sometimes i make pasta
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but it is a bit sharper than the licorice
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the handle on the stove is very functional
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so to me that looks pretty ugly
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the stove they do not call me the same range of very vibrant colors as the crusades
the colors on the stove they are much more conservative
and if if we compare that to uh to my atlantis the male atlantis or the male apollo and the fit or the fistler that i will show you in a sec uh they actually cook slower than the necrosite
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the licorice actually cooks at around the same rate as my uh the melee industry five which is a five-ply stainless steel pan and so they actually cook at the same rate
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the temperature difference between the edge and the center of the necrosite is a little bit smaller than the stove but not significantly so so i wouldn't really worry about that on average 10 degrees or so
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if we look at these last three rows uh the temperature diff of the liquid side between the center and the edge um they definitely converge better than the stove okay but again it's not really a significant difference it's not significant significant enough for me to say
so first of all in terms of cooking you are not really going not going to notice the difference okay so getting a soap and a licorice i think they are both going to work really well for you
the heat distribution with these two pens it's about the same and it's always much better on the gas cooktop or on an electric top if you're you know if the hub covers the whole base of the pan but because my does not cover the whole base of the pen on both of these pans i get about a 40 to 50 degree difference um…
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but this is you know the 1.9 kilograms is it's kind of a typical weight for a pain this size but i would say maybe it's a little bit on the light side because of the just of the white cooking surface but this you would not say this is a light pen but compared to the pearlite seven this is a lightweight okay this is…
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this is uh yeah this industry this is a lightweight compared with the problem seven okay in my hand this one feels at least one point one and a half times or even twice as heavy as this on paper it's not okay on paper it's about thirty percent heavier but you know it feels twice as heavy when you pick it up like that
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you'll see that i've done a couple of videos on these atlantis pro line seven fry pants which i have two off the 28 and the 32 centimeter models
but a few days ago i picked this up uh this one this industry five 32 centimeter version for a really good price on the hand market so i thought okay well let's just pick it up have a play with it use it see how it is um and just do a comparison video and uh and afterwards i'm gonna put this back online for sale um…
and this is only a few days old yeah two days old right this is about a week out
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