dumplings made me think carbon steel was more nonstick than cast iron simply
Cites surface finish, non-stick surface
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About Carbon Steel Pans and Cast Iron Skillets.
38 people across 56 sources, 172 claims in scope and 34 quotes shown below. 26 are objections.
Cast iron and carbon steel are argued about in the same vocabulary, by many of the same people, and on most of it the evidence does not separate them. Where it does, it runs against the folklore: this evidence calls carbon steel non-stick far more often than it calls cast iron non-stick, and it complains more often about carbon steel rusting. What nobody here settles is how either behaves over a lifetime. One person states how long he owned his pan, and it ended when he dropped it.
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dumplings made me think carbon steel was more nonstick than cast iron simply
Cites surface finish, non-stick surface
put it on a burner 30 45 seconds evaporate that remaining moisture off of there so you don't get any rust
Cites rust resistance (against)
I cooked in my grandmother's pan for 35 years until one day up on the Choptank at our at our house there we'd finish breakfast and I was walking out and did the yard scraped something out of the pan into the compost pile I dropped the pan that tumbled down the stairs and I could hear it going ding-ding-ding clunk and…
Owned 35 years , no longer — stopped because the pan cracked after being dropped down the stairs
Non-stick surface is where the two come apart. Carbon steel is credited with it 12 times against 1 complaint; cast iron runs 7 for and 8 against, the only shared attribute where complaints lead. Papa Mau, a home cook, got the same result cooking dumplings in both.
Rust runs the other way. Carbon steel takes 5 complaints against 2 defences, cast iron 4 against 5. Acid draws more objections to carbon steel than almost anything else it is judged on, 2 for and 5 against, though Hannah of America's Test Kitchen records the same damage on bare cast iron.
Weight is the difference a cook feels, and the least contested one here: carbon steel takes 7 positive claims and no negative ones, cast iron 5 against 3. Lisa, another America's Test Kitchen tester, says carbon steel keeps what her team likes about cast iron and is "much easier to handle". Kent Rollins, who cooks over fire, states the other half of the same fact: "heaviness is heat retention".
Everywhere else the proportions are close enough that the evidence does not separate them. Durability runs 15 to 2 for cast iron and 6 to 1 for carbon steel. Even heating runs 6 to 3 against 4 to 2, seasoning durability 6 to 2 against 4 to 3. Maintenance is the one attribute where cast iron does worse than carbon steel by its own reviewers' count, 6 for and 8 against, where carbon steel sits at 3 and 2.
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dumplings made me think carbon steel was more nonstick than cast iron simply
Cites surface finish, non-stick surface
like cast iron, it rusts when it's bare. It requires seasoning or a process that bonds oil to the surface of the pan not only for protection, but also to start the pan on its journey to make it non-stick.
Cites dishwasher safe (against), rust resistance (against)
One thing you wanna note with carbon steel, you don't wanna put these pans in the dishwasher. The dishwasher will ruin the seasoning.
Acidic foods like tomatoes can strip the seasoning from traditional cast iron if simmered for too long in the pan.
Cites acid resistance (against)
now this is obvious for anyone who's done any research on using a carbon steel pan you obviously do not want to put tomatoes or vinegar in the pan right
Cites acid resistance (against), seasoning durability (against)
another weird one raw spinach i did some research on it afterwards and apparently there is a acidic element in spin it raw spinach that strips the seasoning from the pan when you cook it in there
Retains a lot of the properties that we love in cast iron, this ability to retain heat and really put a nice sear on food, but it's much easier to handle.
Cites ergonomics, heat control, safety, ease of cleaning, even heating, heat retention, non-stick surface
Other secret of this pan is its ability to become naturally non-stick. So the smooth grain of this takes to seasoning a little faster than cast iron and it becomes very rapidly non-stick when you season it. And you can cook in it with just a little bit of fat, and food will just come right out. So if you're really…
Stainless steel or, in particular, a fully clad pan where there are layers of stainless steel, aluminum, and stainless steel is really known for its ability to make even, uniform heat. The aluminum transmits heat very quickly, stainless steel much more slowly. The stainless retains it so it spreads, and you get this…
In the carbon steel, I think we got the sort of Goldilocks moment. You get this really beautiful golden brown crust that is deeply brown, and nice, and crusty. Inside is nice and pink. And you really get this nice contrast between the brown crust and the cooked interior that is nice and juicy. So I thought it was a…
When we were done, there was almost nothing in the pan. It was just, I wipe it out, rinse it out, and we're good to go.
cast iron has notoriously been blamed for it's too heavy you know but folks cast iron was built so many years ago for one reason uh to cook with but also heaviness is heat retention
Cites heat retention, weight
If you wanna bang it around with no fear of damage and use it at any temperature under the broiler or on the grill, even over live fire or with metal utensils.
Cites durability, heat resistance
these pans are built to last they will last your generation your kids generations you can pass them down to your great grandchildren and they'll still be around and still working great as long as you take care of them these things are meant to take a beating from my years of cooking we use cast iron pans and carbon…
Cites coating durability, durability, repairability
these pans are built to last they will last your generation your kids generations you can pass them down to your great grandchildren and they'll still be around and still working great as long as you take care of them these things are meant to take a beating from my years of cooking we use cast iron pans and carbon…
if you do for some reason scratch the coating off your pan and leave a big gouge in it don't worry it's not the end of the world all you need to do a little secret here all you need to do is cook with it that's it as you cook with it the oils are going to polymerize back to the pan and rebuild up that scratch piece…
your pan is rusted that's it it's over pans ruined throw it out get a new one no all you need to do is give it a good cleaning scrub all that rust off heat it up re-season your pan and continue cooking with it that's it hand recovered
The sharper disagreements are not between the two materials. They are among the people using them.
Seasoning is the clearest. Prudent Reviews, a reviewer who tests pans head-to-head, treats it as a small chore that comes round rarely and says cast iron ships ready to cook on. Yair, a home cook who bought stainless steel instead, describes cast iron as "like Tamagotchi that you need to take care of". They are describing the same routine and reaching opposite conclusions about whether it is a cost.
Maintenance is the only pooled attribute across both materials where the complaints lead, 9 positive against 10 negative. Quality Collapse does not answer the charge so much as concede it: "They will say it requires maintenance. They are right."
Heat retention is contested inside cast iron's own case, 16 for and 3 against. Lisa watched a burger take a crust almost past the point she wanted while the middle stayed pink. MQ says a stovetop test dispels the idea that cast iron retains heat better than everything else. Kent Rollins, who owns the opposite view, treats the mass and the heat as the same property rather than a trade.
Hannah records both positions herself. She calls the upkeep on carbon steel the price of a pan that is durable and gets slicker with use, and separately warns that acidic cooking undoes it.
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Although cast iron without seasoning will rust, the seasoning process is easy and you don't need to do it often
Cites durability (against), rust resistance (against)
However, cast iron is actually brittle. It contains about 98% iron and 2% carbon. The carbon adds hardness but also makes the material more brittle
Unlike other metals like aluminum and steel, cast iron isn't ductile, which means it will break before it bends
If you drop a cast iron skillet or subject it to extreme pressure, especially against a hard or pointed surface, it can crack and break
Most cast iron skillets today come pre-seasoned so you can start cooking right away
Cites acid resistance, ease of cleaning, even heating, heat retention, maintenance, non-stick surface, rust resistance, seasoning durability
When you do need to season it, all you have to do is clean it, dry it, rub it with a thin layer of oil, and bake it in the oven. Although the baking portion takes an hour or so, the actual work you need to do takes less than 5 minutes. It’s not a big deal and it’s not difficult
But the reality is that seasoning isn't just oil; it's polymerized oil that's been bonded to the cast iron. It's hard and tough and as long as the dish soap doesn't contain lye or sodium hydroxide, a few drops won't hurt
I always recommend using a chainmail to clean cast iron, but if you cooked an especially messy meal and chainmail is not doing the trick, mild dish soap is okay
As you can see, the soap didn’t impact the seasoning at all
Cast iron develops non-stick properties over time with proper seasoning, but it's not totally non-stick like a Teflon-coated pan
But flavoring food with a small amount of acidic ingredients, such as a splash of wine, vinegar, or lemon juice, won't cause any issues
If you're not cooking highly acidic foods for a long time, like over 30 minutes, the seasoning should be fine
To prove this point, I squeezed a whole lemon into this cast iron pan and let it simmer for about 4 minutes. After removing the lemon juice and wiping the skillet, you can see that the seasoning wasn't affected at all
One of the reasons I love cast iron is that it retains heat exceptionally well
Once it's fully preheated, it retains heat well, so your food will cook evenly
That may be true, but in my experience, this step is completely unnecessary. If the skillet is well-seasoned and you dry it thoroughly, it shouldn’t rust, and you don't need to oil it after each use
I feel from my friends that have iron cast pans and from videos I saw online, because before I bought this stainless steel one, I was thinking what should I buy, I had the feeling that iron cast pans are a bit like Tamagotchi that you need to take care of it, and you need to make sure to not cook specific things, like…
Cites maintenance (against)
Critics will say it is heavy. They will say it requires maintenance. They are right.
Cites maintenance (against), weight (against)
Cast iron, that is a very heat-retaining material. Once we preheated the pan, we dropped that burger, it stayed pretty steady and it got quite hot. We got a deep brown crust almost to the verge of being almost burned, which is, I kinda like it that way, but not everybody does. By the time we were really ready to take…
Cites flavour impact, heat control (against), heat retention, non-stick surface (against)
The stainless steel pan, as is their want, left some fond. It stuck a little bit. There was a brown spot where the burger had cooked, and that's great if you're gonna make a pan sauce or whatever. It's not a non-stick pan. It has none of the traits of non-stick the way cast iron or very well-seasoned carbon steel have.
and once again this result with the liquidus on the stove it kind of dispels the myth of cast iron being able to being the best at retaining heat
Cites heat retention (against)
cast iron has notoriously been blamed for it's too heavy you know but folks cast iron was built so many years ago for one reason uh to cook with but also heaviness is heat retention
Cites heat retention, weight
So a little maintenance upfront and a little bit of maintenance each time after you cook, that's the trade-off for an extremely durable pan that's naturally non-stick.
Cites durability, maintenance (against), non-stick surface
you can see this pan has a nice non-stick layer started on it that will build over time. But you can do things in the normal path of cooking that will damage that non-stick surface. Really acidic things, for example, like tomato sauce, or white wine, or lemon juice. They can strip that coating back a little bit. This…
Cites acid resistance (against), seasoning durability (against), repairability
Seasoning is a process. It can take upwards of a year to fully season a pan, even if you use it frequently. And sometimes, the seasoning will look like you're taking one step forward and two steps back. It can look blotchy, and brown, and sad.
62 of the 172 claims here are negative or mixed, and they are specific.
Rust is the recurring one. Hannah records that a bare carbon steel pan rusts and has to be seasoned before it will do anything else. Prudent Reviews says the same of a cast iron pan left wet after washing.
Cooktops produce their own set. Cook Culture reports carbon steel pans spinning on induction plates and says owners complain about it. Chow House says to bring the pan up slowly on flat electric or induction or the metal warps. Uncle Scott, a self-funded reviewer who buys what he reviews, found seasoning harder on an electric flat top because the heat only arrives where the pan is touching. Prudent Reviews cites GE's own documentation telling owners to keep cast iron off its electric cooktops, then reports cooking hundreds of meals that way without trouble.
Surface finish draws the oldest complaint. Kent Rollins says shop-bought iron now feels like paving. Isaac Morton, who founded a cast iron manufacturer, says modern casting leaves a sandy surface that is difficult to clean.
The rest are particular and hard to argue with. Adam, of America's Test Kitchen, found lighter cast iron browned less evenly. Zoe Carter cannot turn an egg on it. Yair will not keep one because his wife cannot lift it. THE FOOD-DEE, who cooked professionally, tells anyone arriving from Teflon that "it's not going to be super nonstick".
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like cast iron, it rusts when it's bare. It requires seasoning or a process that bonds oil to the surface of the pan not only for protection, but also to start the pan on its journey to make it non-stick.
Cites dishwasher safe (against), rust resistance (against)
One thing you wanna note with carbon steel, you don't wanna put these pans in the dishwasher. The dishwasher will ruin the seasoning.
In the meantime, just make sure to dry it thoroughly after washing, otherwise it can rust.
Cites maintenance (against), rust resistance (against), seasoning durability (against)
induction and carbon steel can be a bit problematic as most people have found out that have spinning pans or have seen a video where pans spin induction plates can be a problem I have already kind of proven that once in a video lots of people do complain about their pants becoming Spinners
Cites induction compatible (against), warp resistance (against)
okay so clean and cool cool zero spinning so that is great that cheap what I think is kind of crappy induction cooktop I have been able to make spinners out of other carbon steel with that cooktop um it does make spinners these guys didn't that's a tremendous result so super stoked
If you're using a flat electric or induction cooktop, make sure to heat up your pan slowly and gradually to avoid warping the metal.
Cites warp resistance (against)
if you have an electric flattop stove it makes it more difficult to get your pan seasoned now i season my pan regularly when our gas stove top if you're cooking on a gas stove top the flame hits the bottom moves outward enough around the sides of the pan so you get a good even distribution of heat all over the pan…
Cites heat conduction (against)
GE's support documentation says to avoid cast iron on its electric stoves for two reasons. First, cast iron can scratch the surface of the cooktop
Cites heat retention (against), maintenance (against), rust resistance (against), seasoning durability (against), stovetop compatibility (against)
Second, cast iron retains a significant amount of heat. That heat can radiate back onto the cooktop and cause the burner to shut down if the surface temperature becomes too high
But simply cooking bacon is not the best approach to build an initial layer of seasoning, and here’s why. First, most bacon contains sugar, and that sugar will caramelize and make the surface sticky
Secondly, bacon and other animal fats can become rancid if you cook with those fats and store your skillet without washing them off completely
And lastly, the purpose of seasoning cast iron is to prevent rust. When you cook bacon, the fat only covers the interior of the skillet, leaving the exterior and handle unseasoned and unprotected
In my experience, cast iron works perfectly fine on electric glass cooktops. I know this because I've cooked hundreds of meals in cast iron on my electric cooktop without any issues
Cites heat retention, seasoning durability, stovetop compatibility
Also, I've never experienced problems with the cookware radiating excessive heat back onto the cooktop, nor have I heard of this being a common issue from others
Bacon cooks really well in cast iron skillets, and cooking fatty meats like bacon can contribute to the seasoning process
you're not going to find that on a lot of iron anymore you go to the store and you buy some it feels like gritty pavement
Cites surface finish (against)
The cast iron market wasn't really delivering what it had a hundred years ago, and there wasn't a good reason for that. And most modern cast iron is rough and has this sandy surface, it's difficult to clean and it's not quite as enjoyable to cook on.
Cites surface finish (against)
But you know, in our test, testers found that actually it didn't sear or brown food quite as evenly. It ran a little bit hot because it was a little bit lighter, and simple formula, less mass, less heat retention, less even browning.
Cites even heating (against), heat retention (against), weight
the most difficult thing to cook on l cruset or any cast iron for that matter is over easy eggs or over medium eggs anytime you need to cook an egg and then flip it over to the other side it is extremely difficult
Cites non-stick surface (against)
And it's very heavy also, so my wife won't be able to use it because she won't be able to lift the pan easily from place to place.
Cites weight (against)
everyone assumes that carbon steel or cast iron pan is super nonstick it's just not the facts are you if you're coming from teflon to a carbon steel pan you're going to want to make sure you give it a good seasoning and set your expectations it's not going to be super nonstick
Cites non-stick surface (against)
everyone assumes that carbon steel or cast iron pan is super nonstick it's just not the facts are you if you're coming from teflon to a carbon steel pan you're going to want to make sure you give it a good seasoning and set your expectations it's not going to be super nonstick
If you cook on induction or a flat electric top, the objections above are practical rather than a matter of taste: heat either pan up slowly, and expect the lighter carbon steel to shift on an induction plate.
If lifting is the constraint, the weight evidence points one way and nothing in the cast iron evidence answers it. Yair's household is the case in point here, and it is a reason to rule cast iron out rather than to rank it lower.
If you cook acidic food often, both surfaces will strip and carbon steel strips sooner. What that costs depends on whether re-seasoning is a chore or a habit, and the people here who call it a habit are the ones cooking on these pans daily.
If you are coming from a coated pan, neither behaves like one at first. Nobody here says otherwise.
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induction and carbon steel can be a bit problematic as most people have found out that have spinning pans or have seen a video where pans spin induction plates can be a problem I have already kind of proven that once in a video lots of people do complain about their pants becoming Spinners
Cites induction compatible (against), warp resistance (against)
okay so clean and cool cool zero spinning so that is great that cheap what I think is kind of crappy induction cooktop I have been able to make spinners out of other carbon steel with that cooktop um it does make spinners these guys didn't that's a tremendous result so super stoked
If you're using a flat electric or induction cooktop, make sure to heat up your pan slowly and gradually to avoid warping the metal.
Cites warp resistance (against)
And it's very heavy also, so my wife won't be able to use it because she won't be able to lift the pan easily from place to place.
Cites weight (against)
I want to have products in my kitchen and in my home that are easy to use and give you the best results. And this is why I don't like iron cast pans.
Cites ergonomics (against)
now this is obvious for anyone who's done any research on using a carbon steel pan you obviously do not want to put tomatoes or vinegar in the pan right
Cites acid resistance (against), seasoning durability (against)
another weird one raw spinach i did some research on it afterwards and apparently there is a acidic element in spin it raw spinach that strips the seasoning from the pan when you cook it in there
you can see this pan has a nice non-stick layer started on it that will build over time. But you can do things in the normal path of cooking that will damage that non-stick surface. Really acidic things, for example, like tomato sauce, or white wine, or lemon juice. They can strip that coating back a little bit. This…
Cites acid resistance (against), seasoning durability (against), repairability
Seasoning is a process. It can take upwards of a year to fully season a pan, even if you use it frequently. And sometimes, the seasoning will look like you're taking one step forward and two steps back. It can look blotchy, and brown, and sad.
everyone assumes that carbon steel or cast iron pan is super nonstick it's just not the facts are you if you're coming from teflon to a carbon steel pan you're going to want to make sure you give it a good seasoning and set your expectations it's not going to be super nonstick
Cites non-stick surface (against)
everyone assumes that carbon steel or cast iron pan is super nonstick it's just not the facts are you if you're coming from teflon to a carbon steel pan you're going to want to make sure you give it a good seasoning and set your expectations it's not going to be super nonstick
Cast iron develops non-stick properties over time with proper seasoning, but it's not totally non-stick like a Teflon-coated pan
Cites acid resistance (against), even heating (against), heat conduction (against), heating speed (against), non-stick surface (against)
But a well-seasoned cast iron pan still needs to be greased. And even when it is greased, eggs can sometimes stick if the temperature of the pan isn’t right
For example, simmering tomato sauce or braising short ribs in red wine for extended periods will damage the seasoning and make your food taste like metal
But when people say it heats evenly, they're wrong. The truth is that iron is a terrible heat conductor. Because it has a much lower thermal conductivity than other cookware materials like aluminum and copper, it doesn't heat as fast or evenly
But it takes a while to get there, and as it heats up, the middle of the pan closest to the heat source will be significantly hotter than the sides
This page is about materials, not about pans. No claim on it names a product, so nothing here tells you which cast iron skillet or which carbon steel pan to buy.
One person states how long he owned one. Dennis Powell, who founded a cast iron cookware manufacturer, cooked in his grandmother's pan for thirty-five years, until he dropped it and it cracked. Nobody else reports owning either material for any stated length of time, which means the durability claims on both sides are expectations rather than records.
One reviewer, Prudent Reviews, holds 32 of the 172 claims. A handful of the rest describe enamelled cast iron, which is a third material and does not behave like either of these two.
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I cooked in my grandmother's pan for 35 years until one day up on the Choptank at our at our house there we'd finish breakfast and I was walking out and did the yard scraped something out of the pan into the compost pile I dropped the pan that tumbled down the stairs and I could hear it going ding-ding-ding clunk and…
Owned 35 years , no longer — stopped because the pan cracked after being dropped down the stairs
Be warned however that this enamel coating makes these skillets less durable than their uncoated brethren.
Cites coating (against), durability (against), scratch resistance (against)
You also wanna avoid using metal utensils and scraping or banging the pan, you know it's glass, so you gotta be a little bit careful with it.
The enamel isn't toxic, but you certainly don't want that in your food and it does make the surface more sticky.
Cites non-stick surface (against)
Another downside, don't expect enamel cast iron skillets to be or become non-stick.
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